(A1 tested P312+L21-Z196-
to Cambridgeshire (in particular West Wratting), Suffolk
& Essex England.
[There is evidence of a
Marshe/ Marche family living in
as far back as the late 1400s, and these are likely ancestors of
the C1 Marshes from west Wratting. .
There was a Mareys
(de Merc/ Maris/ Marsh) family owning land at West Wratting up
until 1364 when it passed via an heiress to a Brown family
Simon de Merc (de
Merk/ Marsh) owned land at "Wratting" in the 1100s. There is no evidence
to connect the C1 Marsh group to Simon de Merc, or the West
Wratting Mareys family, but the possibility of a connection is
Family B1: ancestor = John
Marsh b. 1787 West Wratting. On 25 June 2011 a New
SNP L617 was discovered for the first time in A1..
Family B20: ancestor = Thomas Marsh b. circa
1670, lived West Wratting.
ancestor= James Marsh b.1794? Burwell.
traces to Gt Bradley Suffolk, 5 miles
from West Wratting.
Family B103: descends
from James Marsh & Anne Radford living at Cambridge City shortly
Family B108: descends from Henry Marsh1781-1850
& Emma Challis, of Haverhill Suffolk, about 5 miles from West
descends from William Marsh of Bottisham.
Family B102- Teague:
Surname Teague. Possibly descended from same family as
Tyndall/ Tindales below in the past 900 years?
of Q336- Tindale/ Payne: descends from John Sanford Tindale Payne
(Tindale adopted by Payne family)b.1813
Kentucky, son of Isaac John Tindale b.1780. Some
Paynes match exactly on 12 markers, but have a large number of
mutations difference on more markers. It is therefore
necessary to test more than 12 markers of Paynes to confirm a
match with C1 group.
of Q493- Tyndall: descends from Charles Tindall b. circa
1662. It appears this family may descend on the male line
from Baron Adam de Tyndall b. about 1120 in Northumberland.
Some have suggested that it is "possible" Baron Adam de
was a son or grandson of Uchtred of Tyndale. A Johnstone
family are believed to descend from Uchtred of Tyndale, and an
Armstrong family are believed to descend from Uchtred of
Tyndale's brother, so some Johnston and Armstrongs are shown
below who are possibly from the Uchtred of Tyndale family.
It is believed that Uchtred descends on the male line from early
Kings of Denmark, Sweden & Norway. First impressions
are that Tyndalls probably don't relate on the direct male
to Johnstons who descend from Uchtred, but there is just a
slight possibility of relationship. (7 matching off modal
Family of Bruce?: It has been hard to find a
family in the area where the Baron Adam de Tyndale came from
where Adam and Robert are common names. The Bruce family
(??Q526 ??)(same family as King Robert Bruce) included those
names, and the Bruce family had various associations with
families in the Tyndall's context. Adam de Bruce b.abt
1051 appears to have possibly obtained his name from his mother's father,
count "Alan" of Brittany. Count Alan had another daughter
(?) Wymarc who owned land at Weston Colville. Some of this
Bruce family may have owned land at Carlisle (Cardoill).
In the late 1200s, Bruces held the Castle of Carlisle. Adam de
Bruce b.1051 appears to have had a son Adam II, and a son Robert
Adam II had a son Adam III. Could the
Robert de Cardoill also the son of an Adam, who was the second husband
of Helewise, Wife of Baron Adam II de Tyndale, be the son
of Adam de Bruce? Some have suggested that the Robert
Tyndale of Tansover in Northamptonshire, was in fact Robert de
Cardoill, second husband of Helewise, widow of Baron Adam II de
Tyndale. Could Adam I or II de Bruce possibly have been
Baron Adam I de Tyndale?
Z1 is John Marsh b.1787. Y1
the unknown common ancestor of families B1, B20, B78, B96 & B103
who probably lived between about 1350 and 1600..
There is a suggestion that a Marsh family
B83 of Ashdon Essex may descend from a Marsh living
at West Wratting
in the 1500s, but preliminary DNA tests indicate that the B83
Marshes "probably" do not relate to the West Wratting
C1 Marsh clan in
this time frame.
are rare in haplogroup R1b1b2,
some cases matches on these markers may be significant.