MARSH FAMILIES
DNA PROJECT
John Marsh, Project Administrator, ajmarsh@arrrg.org
6) Heraldry and Marsh Coats of Arms

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1) INTRODUCTION:
2) GENERAL REFERENCE INFORMATION ON MARSH COATS OF ARMS:
3) MARSH COATS OF ARMS:

1) INTRODUCTION:

Heraldry, like conventional genealogy, can provide information to help interpret DNA results.  Because DNA can provide evidence of a relationship which may have occurred 1,000 years in the past, when "paper trail" records are sparse, we are constantly on the look out for any slim pieces of evidence which can add to our knowledge, and help corroborate DNA evidence. 

Historically, elements on coats of arms have tended to run in families.  The use of common elements on Coats of Arms might in some cases indicate a deep ancestry relationship.  If Marsh families who have similar Coats of Arms, also have similarities in DNA profile, it would be considered along with other factors, as evidence corroborating the likelihood of a relationship. 

ELEMENTS WHICH ARE COMMON ON MARSH COATS OF ARMS:

The horse head: In heraldry, the Horse represents "readiness for all employments for king and country".  In the case of Marsh Coats of Arms, a very large number include horses heads on them.  In some documented cases, the horse head element has been used in modified ways by succeeding generations of Marshes in the same family.  So in some cases at least, the horse head does indicate relationships, sometimes stemming from a common ancestor many centuries ago.   I am interested to learn who the earliest Marshes were who used the horse head, and to see if succeeding Marsh families who used the horse head may have derived from these, and have DNA in common.

I received a very interesting email from person whose research touched on the early de Mariscos.  He said that the following words meant "horse" in the respective languages.....
   MARKA (Old High German)
   MARC (Old Irish)
   MARCOS (Celtic/Gaulish)
   MARCH (Welsh/Cornish/Breton) -pronounced MAHRX
   MEARH (Anglo-Saxon)

In addition to the above, I believe that the following also were words meaning "horse"...
   MARES (Old French)
   MARAH  (Old High German- "marshal" meaning "horse servant" derives from this)

This to me is interesting.  The early Norman de Mariscos/ de Marreis family, trace back to de Merc/ de Merck/ de Marc/ de Marcq (and a host of similar variants in spellings).  Many early "Marsh" families, also spelled their name "March" as a variant.  Could it be, that the early uses of the "horse head" on the Marsh Coats of Arms, came from some identification of the surname as being sounding similar to the word used in ancient times for a "horse"?   Perhaps the horse became a sort of convenient  "hieroglyphic symbol" used in heraldry to represent the surname "Marsh"?
 

Some Marsh families with strong naval connections have used the sea horse on their coat of arms.

Some of the early Marsh Coats of Arms with a white horse head on a red background trace back to Kent.  The white horse on red background was an ancient Anglo-Saxon Totem, and also was associated with Kent in very early times.

I have also heard it said that the use of a horse head on a coat of arms represented a person who was a knight.  This is the representation for a knight in a chess set also.  However, I don't think myself this is the primary reason for horse heads on Marsh coats of arms, even although many early Marshes were knights.  The early Marsh family with the most knights tended to use a rampant lion, rather than a horse head.

There are multiple possible origins for the horse head on the Marsh Coat of Arms.   I don't have a clue which might be correct, if any are.  But I am looking!

The rampant lion:  In heraldry, the Lion represents "deathless courage".   The Norman de Marisco (Marsh) family (also known as de Merc, and variant spellings) which arrived in England with William the Conqueror, used a rampant lion on their coats of arms.   Often, the lion was white, on a red shield.  The Morris and Marris/ Maris  families which by traditions also descend from the de Mariscos, use rampant lions in various forms even today.   A number of Mark/ Marke families possibly have common origins to the de Merc/ de Marisco families, and some of these use a rampant lion.  Although some Marsh families by tradition have descended from the de Mariscos, I am not aware of any Marshes currently using a rampant lion.  The rampant lion is a very common feature appearing on many Coats of Arms of apparently unrelated families of different surnames.  The horse head by contrast, is much less commonly used by other surnames.

The rampant lion is suggested by some to derive from possible family connections, and/ or political connections, to the early English royal family, but some sayit may trace further back from a use of that symbol in the region of Flanders, or even tracing further back to Charlemagne, or King David. 

There was a Dane Gommeri Ingvarsson, who is said to have been the ancestor of many of the noble Norman families.  See DC3CS for details of modal Y-DNA for his descendants.  It is said the rampant Lion as an emblem may come from Gommeri Ingvarsson.  The Y-DNA of Gommeri's line seems very similar to 1 Marsh line, and also similar to a Maris line.  This may be a promising lead.  The early English Royal family who use the Rampant lion don't descend from Gommeri Y-DNA, so there are different forces at play, but in view of Y-DNA matches of Marshes to Gommeri's line, the rampant lion may trace to this source.

I have not gotten to the bottom of it yet, but some de Marck families of the 1500s were said to be a cadet branch of the family of the Count of Boulogne.  (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/UPTEGROVE/2003-03/1048645312) The ancestor of the de Marisco family, Adelolf de Marcq/ de Marck, fought in the battle of Hastings in the retinue of Eustacve II Count of Boulogne, and received land holdings in England from him.  There appears a clear connection between de Marck and de Boulogne, but I have not yet seen firm evidence that they were of the same male line.  The Boulogne/ Bologne/ Bouillon family produced a number of the Crusader Kings of Jerusalem.   There are claims that the Boulogne family trace back to various VIPs, including King David, perhaps hence their claiming the Kingship of Jerusalem.  I have seen family trees showing this descent, (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/i/l/Glenn-wayne-Miller/) but I have seen alternative trees showing different ancestors.  These early pedigrees are always a bit murky.  However, a de Marck (X4##, also see E9##) who seems to be part of the cadet branch of Boulogne, included a lion on his coat of arms, as did the early Norman de Marck/ de Mariscos.  If the family was claiming descent from King David, be it a true claim or not, the lion may have some association to King David, and the lion of Judah.  (The English Royal crest has a lion, as the symbols of the Lion of Judah.)  I note that another Marck (X1##) coat of arms (German) includes 2no. 6 point stars.  The 6 point stars are often considered to be "stars of David".  I believe the de Boulogne mythical "claims" to descent from King David, are not direct male line, so we can't expect to find evidence of King David in the DNA.  (If the descent was direct male line, the present day generation would expect to carry a Y-DNA similar to the Cohen Y-DNA profile.)   http://www.myfamilysilver.com/crestFinder/default.aspx?name=Marsh

The Lions head:  The lions head is interestingly used on a number of "March" and "Marsh" family Coats of Arms.  In these cases, because of the similarities, these particular March and Marsh families must surely be related.   March and Marsh have in past times have often been used as variant spellings by the same people.  The March family which is said to have used the lion's head from early times, is said to have originated in Cambridgeshire, but a very similar Coat of Arms was used by a March family from around Hampshire by around 1600.  The de Merc/ de Marck/ de Marisco family (the Norman family who used the rampant lion) had land interests in Cambridgeshire from around 1100 (and also Hampshire/ Somerset/ Dorset).  It is tempting to speculate that "March" stemmed from "Merc/ Marck", and that the lions head evolved from the rampant lion.  I have not been able to trace the earliest use of coats of arms F1##, F2##, F3##.  I would be very interested to hear from anybody who can give me any clues on the origins of this.  (Could the gold cross on the black background relate to a Crusader Knight, some of the Norman de Mariscos went on Crusades?) http://www.myfamilysilver.com/crestFinder/default.aspx?name=Marsh

Help needed on Marsh Coats of Arms:  I have been searching to see what Marsh Coats of Arms there have been over history.   If anybody has information about and Marsh Coats of Arms not given below, I would be very pleased to hear from them.  I am particularly interested in very early Marsh Coats of Arms, and in particular any de Marisco Coats of Arms.  I am also interested in the earliest use of horse heads on Marsh Coats of Arms.  I make no claim to being an expert on heraldry, so if anybody sees anything in the following which needs correcting, please let me know.  Contact me at ajmarsh@arrrg.org .

2) GENERAL REFERENCE INFORMATION ON MARSH COATS OF ARMS:

Following is a very limited introduction to information on Heraldry, and Coats of Arms various Marsh families, and Coats of Arms associated with surnames which may or may not related to Marsh.

(Note:  not all Marshes are entitled claim use of crests, coats of arms etc, only descendants who are heirs of the family they relate to.)

http://freepages.history.rootsweb.com/~amateurheralds/offbod.html   (Official heraldic authorities)
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/   (UK College of Arms)
http://www.augustansociety.org  (The Augustan Society)
http://www.americancollegeofheraldry.org   (The American College of Heralds)
http://usheraldicregistry.com/pmwiki.php?n=Main.HomePage (Free registration of arms- a private enterprize)
http://www.baronage.co.uk/  (Baronage Press)
http://www.sog.org.uk/leaflets/arms.html   (The right to arms) 
http://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/faq.htm   (The right to arms)
http://www.sog.org.uk/leaflets/arms.html   (The right to arms)
http://www.heraldica.org/topics/britain/   (British heraldry- sources of information)
http://www.amateurheralds.org/   (Association of Amateur Heralds)
http://www.freecoatsofarms.com/  (Some Arms free to download)
http://www.heraldry.ws/m/  (Coats of arms, surnames starting with M, pictures)
http://myhistories.com/england_mn.htm   (Coats of Arms, England)
http://www.dpmc.govt.nz/honours/overview/herald-of-arms.html   (New Zealand Herald of Arms Extraordinary)
http://makepeace.ca/au/  (Comment on possible future Australian College of Arms)
http://www.allfamilycrests.com/m/maye-family-crest-coat-of-arms.shtml (Images of Coats of Arms on line)
http://www.lastname.com/index.aspx?net=200&AID=10300049&PID=1054397 (Descriptions of individual Coats of Arms)
http://www.fleurdelis.com/index.html   (Coats of Arms)
http://perso.numericable.fr/briantimms/  (Studies in Heraldry)*****
http://www.briantimms.com/rolls/charlesF09.htm (Coats of Arms- ancient)
http://www.briantimms.com/era/armsrollsblazons.htm
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see also http://www.briantimms.com/era/early%20rolls%20of%20arms.htm
H The Falkirk Roll
K The Caerlaverock Poem
B Glover's Roll
C Walford's Roll
D The Camden Roll
E St George's Roll
F Charles' Roll
ST The Stirling Roll
GA
The Galloway Roll
BA The Bigot Roll
CP The Chifflet-Prinet Roll
VE Vermandois
WN The Wijnbergen Roll
HE The Heralds' Roll, in progress
http://www.usa-people-search.com/content-heraldry-symbols.aspx  (heraldry symbols etc)***
http://digiserve.com/heraldry/symbols.htm   (heraldry symbols etc)
http://www.luz-herald.net/free/m1.html   (Coats of Arms, France)
http://genealogy.euweb.cz/carolin/carolin1.html (Charlemagne descendants)
http://www.briantimms.com/chf/24listofthearms.htm   (Civic Arms)
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/ASP/sId./qx/honsurnamesearch.htm   (House of Names)
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?Marsh::coatofarms::8.html   (use of coat of arms)
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/s.Marsh/Marsh_family_Crest/Marsh_coat_of_arms/qx/coatofarms_details.htm (a  Marsh Coat of Arms)
http://www.prattens.co.uk/FAMILIES/MARSH/text.txt (Mention of arms of Henry Marsh of Moreton in Thornbury)
http://genforum.genealogy.com/coatofarms/   (Coat of Arms Forum)
http://genforum.genealogy.com/coatofarms/messages/2572.html   (Richard Marsh of Canterbury)
http://www.saltygen.com/coat.htm   (Saltmarsh coat of arms)
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hills/8457/heraldry.htm   (Marr coat of arms, some speculate "Marr" has common origin to "Marsh")        
http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2001/11/01-11lar.html   (Willem de Whytemersh  14th/15th Century)
http://www.marxists.org/archive/morris/works/chrono.htm   (William Morris Arms include horses head erased, similar to the Marsh Arms)
http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/s.March/March_family_Crest/March_coat_of_arms/qx/coatofarms_details.htm   (March coat of arms-  March/ Marsh have often been interchanged as spelling of surname in some areas.-  "March family first found in Cambridgeshire where they were seated from very early times and were granted lands by Duke William of Normandy, their liege Lord, for their distinguished assistance at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 A.D.")          
http://frey.stormpages.com/family/arms/coatarms.htm   (Morse coat of arms, the surname Morse is possibly a variation of Morris/ Marsh 
http://www.leitrim-roscommon.com/heraldry/   (Interesting description of Heraldry, in particualr relating to Ireland)
http://homepage.tinet.ie/~donnaweb/index.html (Coats of Arms- images)
http://www.family-history.org/fh_contents.html (Documents for a History of the Family of Marsh, re Heraldry?)
http://www.jjhc.info/bookplatelist.htm   (Bookplates of ancestors of JJ Heath-Caldwell, includes some very interesting Marsh Coats of Arms, including 9 including a horses head.) http://www.jjhc.info/bookplatelistmarsh.htm *****
http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/index.html   (Flags of the World)
http://www.heraldry.ws/index.html  (Coats of arms illustrated)
http://search.swyrich.com/surnamesearch.asp?Licensee=8605&sId= 

3) MARSH COATS OF ARMS:

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FOLLOWING ARE SOME OF THE MANY MARSH COATS OF ARMS: (I have grouped these according to common themes, which may in some cases suggest family ties.)  I have included Coats of Arms for some families of interest, which may or may not be related to Marshes, eg the de Montmorency and de Marck families, which are two of the speculated progenitors of the Norman de Marisco family, which is the ancestral family of some present day Marshes.  

MOTTOS:   Following are some mottos which have been used by Marshes...
"In hoc signa vinces" (Under this sign you will conquer) England/  
"Nolo servile capistrum" (I do not wish a slave's halter) Ireland
/

"All were brave, some were good", Marsh family descended from John Marsh, Braintree, Essex, descendants in USA/  
"Non quam no paratis", Marsh Walstanton Staffordshire

A) HORSES HEADS: (Kent/ Middlesex/ London/ Essex/ Surrey/ Stafford/ Worcestor/ Gloucestershire/ Derby / Dublin/ Queens/ Laos/ USA etc-)  I believe there are many more Marsh Arms with, horses heads, possibly in Hertfordshire, and London, possibly Somerset.    

A number of the very early "horse head" Marsh Coats of Arms trace back to Kent.  Many thanks to the person who drew my attention to the Kent Coat of arms below, and also the following link http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/de-nw-w%29.html which refers to the white horse on red background as being an ancient Anglo-Saxon Totem.   Perhaps this association of the white horse on red background being associated with Kent, and/or Anglo-Saxons has some significance in relation to early Marsh Coats of Arms from Kent?
KentArms.jpg (22889 bytes)Coat of Arms of county of Kent in England.  The white horse of Kent is supposedly the old symbol for the Saxon kingdom of Kent, dating from the 6 - 8th century. http://www.myfamilysilver.com/crestFinder/default.aspx?name=Marsh

A1## Marsh:  (Marton in Langden, co. Kent: confirmed 1602) quarterly, gu. and ar. in the dexter and chief quarter a horses head couped of the second.  Crest-   Out of a mural crown gu. a horses head ar. ducally gorged or.  [another source says- "MARSH, ancient family styled de Marisco in ancient Latin deeds.  Seated, East Langdon, near Dover, co. Kent in 1326.  William Marsh, of Marton, in East Langdon, Kent.  Arms- Quarterly, gu and ar. in the first quarter; a horses head, of the second.  Crest- issuing from a mural crown, gu., a horses head, arg. ducally collared, or."  Personally, I am unsure if this is entirely correct.  I beleive William Marsh of East Langdon in 1326 was described as "William Atte Mershe", and possibly had Anglo-Saxon origins, rather than Norman "de Marisco" origins.  The horse head may hint at Anglo-Saxon origins also.]
A2## Marsh:  (Marton near east Langton co. Kent granted 16 June 1616).   Same Arms.  Crest- A rams head ar. attired and crowned or. 
A3## Marsh:  (Snave Manor and Ivy Church, co. Kent)  Same Arms and Crest.
A4## Marsh:  (Gayles Park, co Essex)  Quaretrley 1st & 4th, same Arms for Marsh; 2nd & 3rd, ar. three crosses crosslet fitchee gu. a bordureengr. of the last, for Chisendale.  Crests- 1st, Marsh: out of a mural crown gu. a horses head ar. ducally gorged or; 2nd, Chisenhale:  A griffin pass. gu. collared and lined or, the collar charged with 3 cross crosslets gu.
A5## Chisenhale-Marsh:  (Gaynes Park, co Essex- lineage from William Coxhead Marsh d.1867)..........(similar to A4##, but with some differences)  see image below.

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A6## Marsh:  (London, formerly Dorking co. Surrey: quartered by Adams, of Dummer, co. Hants)  Per fesse danccettee gu. and ar. a pale countercharged, three horse heads couped of the second.
A7## Marsh:  (Darks co. Middlesex).  Same Arms.  Crest- A demi lion ramp. erased sa. bezantee, gorged with a ducal coronet ar.
A8## Marsh:  (The Lloyd, co. Stafford  Gu. a horses head couped between three crosses crosslet ar.)
A9## Marsh:  (Springmount, Queens co.)  Gu. a horses head couped or, between two trefoils in chief and a fleur-de-lis in base ar.  Crest- A griffin's head couped az. gorged with a ducal coronet or, in the beak a rose ar. seeded or. slipped leaved, and beaked vert.  Motto- Nolo servile capistrum.   (I am unwilling to bear the slavish halter)  (some sources imply this motto also applies to Kent Marsh families)  See image below.

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A10## Marsh:  (bart., extinct,1868, confirmed to Henry Marsh, MD, of Dublin, Physiscian-in-Ordinary to the Queen in Ireland, created a bart. 1839, gt gt gt grandson of Francis Marsh, Archbishop of Dublin,- see tree http://www.prattens.co.uk/FAMILIES/MARSH/trees.txt   - by his wife, Mary, dau and co-heir of Jeremy Taylor, DD, Bishop of Down and Connor)  Quarterly, 1st and 4th, gu. a horses head couped or. between two trefoils slipped in chief and in base a fleur-de-lis ar., for Marsh;  2nd and 3rd erm. a bishop's mitre az. on a chief indented gu. three escallops ar.  for Taylor.  Crest- A griffins head couped az. ducally gorged or. holding in the beak a rose ar.  seeded gold, slipped, barbed, and leaved vert.  Motto- Nolo servile capistrum  (I am unwilling to bear the slavish halter)
A11## Marsh:  (Edgeworth, Gloucestershire)  not sure what the arms exactly were, but as this family were ancestors of A10## above, the arms are likely to be very similar, without the bishops & Taylor additions.  (One presumes they were as the 1st & 4th quarter of the arms A10## above.)
A12## Marsh: (Thornbury, Gloucestershire)  arms same as A11## above.  See tree for family which goes back to circa 1500. http://www.prattens.co.uk/FAMILIES/MARSH/trees.txt
A13## Marsh:  (H. Coll.  Descendants of Rev John Kirk Marsh, Vicar of Brampton co. Derby)  Argent, on a bend gules, between two escutcheons of the last, each charged with a horses head erased of the field, a sword in bend, point upwards proper, pommel and hilt or. between two lozenges of the first.  Mantling guiles and argent.   Crest- On a wreath of the colours, an escutcheon gules, charged with a horse's head as in the arms, between two wings argent, each charged with a lozenge also gules.  See image below.

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A14## Morris:  (William Morris- Worcestor, family originally from Wales)  Azure, a horse's head erased argent between three horse-shoes or, and for crest, on a wreath of the colours, a horse's head couped argent, charged with three horse-shoes in chevron sable.   (In Ireland, the name Morris is said to come from de Marisco/ de Mareis, the same origin of many English Marshes.  I have not made a detailed study, but I believe most Welsh Morris coats of arms don't include a horses head, so the horses head on this Morris coat of arms may be a case of cooincidence, along with the fact that some Morris families have common roots to Marsh, and Marsh coats of arms have horses heads commonly.  I did a brief survey and found that the horses head is apparently relatively rare on coats of arms for surnames generally.)
A15## Marsh (Laois)  see image below (Elements of this Coat of Arms seem a close match to 9##, which may in turn be related to 11## & 12##.)

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A16##Marsh: (Norfolk Eng 1500s?/ MA, USA 1700s?)   Wilson Marsh, grandson of Lieut. Alexander Marsh of Braintree MA, used a coat of arms with two horses heads on, and lions paws.   Research has shown that the portion with the lions paws, comes from a legitimate Wilson coat of arms, which was in the family of Wilson Marsh's mother.  It would seem that Wilson Marsh's coat of arms are distictive to his family,  and his descendants.  Not sure if the horse head specifically traces to a prior Marsh family coat of arms.    
A17##Marsh:  (Octavious Marsh 1829-1865 appears to have used this crest) The family has a tradition of a connection to the East Langdon Marshes of Kent, and the family has been associated with Cawston Norfolk amongst other places.   This appears to be a crest, rather than a coat of arms, but it does seem connected to the East Langdon crest.
CoatOfArmsMarshEastLangdon.jpg (98071 bytes)

A18##Marsh: (Richard Marsh b.1585 Finchhamstead, Hertfordshire.)
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/Misc/MIs/ARY/YorkMinsterBurials1a.html
(69a). " Dr. Marsh, ye reverend deane of Yorke, was buried in ye Cathedrall church the 15th of October, 1663." (Par. Reg., St. M.-Ie-B.)

In the south aisle of the choir, " by the wall side, under the 5th window, lyes a blue stone about 2 yds & z long, & plain, under wch was buried Richard Marsh, Dean of York, who dyed A.D. 1663 ; and an Escocheon of his Arms, depicted on a wooden frame, still hangs over him :-Gu. a Nagg's head couped ar.-Marsh (Impaling) Qrly. B. & Gu., on a bend A. 3 boars passt. sab., & a border 0.-Grice." (Torre, p. 257.)

Richard Marsh was born at Finchamstead, co. Herts, in 1585. On 17 Oct., 1614, he was collated to the vicarage of Birstal, co. York, which he resigned in 1662. On 30 Dec. 1625, he was collated to the stall of Rampton at Southwell. On 28 June, 1634, he was nominated to the prebend of Husthwaite at York, and installed 6 Aug. seq. On Sept. 25th in the same year, he was collated to a stall at Ripon. In 1636 he proceeded D.D. at Oxford. On 12 April, 1638, he was instituted to the vicarage of Halifax, and became shortly after an active justice of the peace for the West Riding of Yorkshire. In August, 1641, he succeeded Hen. Wickham (see No. 12) as archdeacon of York. When the deanery became vacant by the death of Scott in 1644, Dr. Marsh was nominated his successor, but could not take possession till after the Restoration, when he was installed 20 Aug., 1660. In 1662 he resigned the vicarage of Halifax, and his stall at Ripon, and dying October 13th, 1663, was buried (ut supra) near archbishop Hutton.

Dean Marsh was thrice married. His first wife was a Miss Stephens ; his second wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Robt. Batt, esq. of Oakwell Hall, near Birstal, died in childbed ; his third wife, who survived him, was Frances, daughter of Mr. Grice of Wakefield. (See No. 74 a.)

A19##Marsh:  1660 - Sir Thomas Marsh, who lived in 1660, bore the following arms, which, with slight variations, were borne by many families of the name : Arms Gules, a horse's head couped between three crosses botonnie

SEA HORSE:
  (perhaps the sea "horse" was evolved from the "horse head', for a family with naval connections??)
A100## Marsh:  (Ancestor Thomas Marsh b.1602 of Walstanton Staffordshire)  Not sure of details of this Coat of Arms, other than that it included a "sea horse", and the motto was "Non quam no paratis".  Not sure who was the first to use these Arms, perhaps more recent generations.  Brigadier Gen Graham Frank Marsh of the Indian Army, was related to this family, and compiled a family tree from 1594 to 1915 for this family.  Descendants live in New Zealand.  The family has a long history of service in the Navy.

B) TALBOTS HEADS:  (Cambridge/ Huntingdon- neighbouring counties.)  Note:  I do not have details on the family which this relates to, but I note that a Marsh family with land in Pampisford, Cambridgeshire, also held land in Huntingdonshire, and also Darke/Darks, Essex/ Middlesex see A7## above, which may or may not relate to the Pampisford family.  I have a family tree for the Pampisford family. 

 

Erm. on a chief az. three talbot's heads couped

arg. Babtot, Byfold, co. Hereford. The heads

erased. Barrell, Rochester, Kent.

Erm. on a chief sa. three talbot's heads erased

 

of the first. Barrell, Rochester, Kent.

Paly of six arg. and az. on a chief gu. three tal-

bot's heads erased or. Marche. Marsh, co.

Cambridge; and co. Huntingdon.

Paly of six arg. and az. on a chief or three grey-

hound's heads erased sa. collared gu. Smyth,

Wighton, Norfolk.

Paly of six or and az. on a chief gu. three talbot's

heads erased or. Marsh or Marshe, co.

Huntingdon.



B1 ## Marsh:  (co. Cambridge)  Paly of six ar. and az. on a chief gu. 3 talbots' heads erased or.

B2) ## Marsh or Marshe:
(co. Huntingdon).  Paly of 6 or. and az. on a chief gu. 3 talbots' heads erased or.

B3) ## Marche
(Ely, Cambridgeshire)
MARCHE (Isle of Ely, co. Cambridge,
recorded in the Visitations of 1574 and
1619 ; the eventual heiress, DOROTHY, only
child of Thomas March, Esq., of the Isle
of Ely, by Elizabeth, his wife, dau. and
co-heir of Sir Christopher Pigott, of Dod-
dershall, Bucks, m. John Norton, Esq., of
Rotherfield, Hants, but d.s.p. in 1703,
having settled her property on her cousins,
Catherine Burton and Dorothy Chaplyn).
Or. three pales az. on a chief gu. three tal-
bots' heads erased of the first. Crest, On
a ducal coronet or. a water spaniel (some-
times a wolf ) passant az. langucd or.

B4) ## Marche
(Ely/ Haddenham)
MAKCHE (Haddenham, co. Cambridge,
Visitation of that county, 1684 a
branch of Marche of the Isle of Ely : the
eventual heiress, Sarah Rowlands Marche,
last surviving child of Ralph Marche, Esq.,
of Haddenham; m. 1st, Pell Gatward, Esq.,
who d.s.p. 1741 and 2nd, Sir Isaac Wol-
laston, Bart., of Loseby, by whom she had
a son, Sir Isaac Laurance Wollaston, Bart.,
who died young, and two daus. Sarah, m.
to Taylor White, Esq., and Anne, m. in
1772, to Sir Thomas Fowke, Knt.) Paly
of six or. and az. on a chief gu. three tal-
bots' heads erased of the first. Crest, On
a ducal coronet or. a wolf passant arg.
langued gold.
 

C) BEND: (diagonal band) LOZENGES (diamond shaped figure)/ TREFOIL (plant with 3 leafs): 

C1## Marsh:  (Edmonton co. Middlesex, Fincham co Bucks, and London, Robert Marsh, gent., of Edmonton, Visit Middlesex, 1663, and Rev. Samuel Marsh DD, sons of Samuel Marsh, gent., of Fincham, 1633, and grandsons of Robert Marsh of London, d. 7 Oct 1602)  Ar. on bend gu. three lozenges of the first, in chief a trefoil of the second.  Crest- A demi leopard ramp. ppr. pellettee, ducally gorged or.

C2## de la Marche:  (1889 Argent a bend componny counter componny or fimbriated gules Michel de la Marche WN 169)

2739 Argent a fess of five fusils gules Thomas de Newmarch ST 36

D) DIAGONAL CROSS/ VERTICAL CROSS/ STARS:

D1## Moresh:  (Ireland) see image below (is this surname a hybrid between Morris and Marsh?? Surname thesaurus matches Moresh with Marsh) Note: there are some slight similarities to C1## above.  The basis of this Coat of Arms, a red diagonal cross on a white shield, is not too far removed from a white cross on a red shield for Marris below.

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D2## Marris:  see Coat of Arms and history at 
      Red shield, with white diagonal cross with red margins.  I beleive this Coat of Arms was issued in about 1940, but styled on an ancient Marck Coat of Arms.  The family is said to trace it's descent to the de Marisco family who fought with William the Conqueror, and back to the Marck family.
D3## Marris:  silver (white) diagonal cross, red shield  http://www.houseofnames.com/honsearchresults.asp?sId=&Surname=Marris&searchType=both&text2.x=27&text2.y=14
D4## Marris: of Harold Colquhoun Marris 1883-1966, one quarter includes white verticle cross on red shield, http://www.maris.ancestry.btinternet.co.uk/Origins.htm
D5## Marais:  http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.fc/qx/marais-family-crest.htm White vertical cross on red shield, 3 shells on diagonal bend.
D6## Morriss: black diagonal cross, white shield. http://www.gbnf.com/a224/Morriss.htm   (Note this may be related to Moss, as http://www.gbnf.com/a227/Moss.htm See also Morrison http://www.allfamilycrests.com/m/morrison-family-crest-coat-of-arms.shtml )
D7## Morris: (origin unknown to the Project Administrator- possibly fairly recent?) see below
Morris3.jpeg (17382 bytes)
D8## Marais: 
http://www.notrefamille.com/v2/services-blasons/liste-blasons.asp?nom=Marais&id_Nom=2589594
D9## Mairesse: 
http://www.notrefamille.com/v2/services-blasons/liste-blasons.asp?nom=Mairesse&id_Nom=2588919
D10## Semark:    In Northamptonshire, a member of a St Medard family married a de Merc (Marsh) heiress and inherited the de Merc estates.  The descendants took the surname Semark (St Mark)

D11## Tye:  http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.c/qx/tye-coat-arms.htm  Could de Tye be a derivation of de Tey, which was a family which inherited de Merc (Marsh) Estates at Marks Tey?  Is there a similarity between D10## and D11##?



E) LION:  (Note, Rampant lions are very common on coats of arms, for many surnames)  It appears that early de Mariscos, including the family of Geoffry de Marisco the Jursticiar, used the rampant lion on his coat of arms.   This would fit with the claim that Morrises descend from the de Mariscos, as most Morris arms include the rampant lion.  Just as the horse heads seem one key grouping of Marsh Coats of Arms, the rampant lion would also seem to identify another key grouping of families. http://www.myfamilysilver.com/crestFinder/default.aspx?name=Marsh

E1## de Reivers (Baldwin de Reivers/ Redvers, earl of Devon)- Baldwin's great grandmother was a full sister of William the Conqueror.  Baldwin's daughter Hawise married Jordan de Marck great grandfather of Geoffrey de Marisco the Justiciar.
      ReviersArms.gif (2375 bytes)
E2## de Merck: (William de Merck)  gules, a lion rampant argent. http://www.briantimms.com/rolls/charlesF09.htm .
     WilliamDeMercArms.gif (4674 bytes)
E3## de Merck:  (Ingram de Merck)   Gules a lion rampant argent.   http://www.briantimms.com/era/armsrollsblazons.htm
     WilliamDeMercArms.gif (4674 bytes)
E4## de Merck:  (Sir John de Merc/ Merck- of Essex) Gules a lion rampant argent a bordure.  Sir John, of Essex, had ten pounds rent in Cumberton, Cambridgeshire, between 1189 and 1201, the gift of King John & White Roding, Essex.  (Perhaps Cumberton, is Comberton, 3 miles west of Cambridge city.)  A March family in the Isle of Ely area Cambridgeshire from the 1500s at least, I suspect is a possible related family to de Merck/ de Marck/ de Marisco.  This March family may have had a coat of arms with 4 lions heads, as shown below (F3##) under lions heads, and various Marsh families used an almost identical coat of arms.  This March family may have spread into western Norfolk.  There was a Sir Stephen de Marsico of the Isel of Ely area in Cambridgeshire, born around 1174, who was lord of Newton, Walsoken, Tid, and St Giles, and other areas.   Sir Stephen had a son known as Jeffrey Marsh.   There was a village of Carlton in Cambridgeshire, where Jeffrey Marsh was a very common name for many centuries.   Sir Stephen's son Jeffrey Marsh had a daughter Desiderata who married a Roger de Coleville, possibly from the de Coleville family of Weston Colville, which is one mile from Carlton.  It is speculative, but it is perhaps possible that the prolific Marsh family from West Wratting, Weston Colville, and Carlton areas may be related to Sir John de Merc. http://www.briantimms.com/era/armsrollsblazons.htm
http://www.1066.co.nz/library/battle_abbey_roll2/subchap175.htm
     ArmJohnDeMerck.gif (2525 bytes)
E5## de Marisco: (Lundy?/ Somerset?)  The coat of arms of the de Mariscos (circa 1200) were "gules, a lion rampant, argent" http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pillagoda/ch2-04.htm
     WilliamDeMercArms.gif (4674 bytes)
E6## de Marisco: (William de Marisco, Lundy?  Son of Geoffrey the Justiciar?) William de Marisco "gules, a lion rampant sable, langued gules" which may mean they were royal bastards (or alternatively descended from Charlemagne).   "Langued" means having the tongue visible.  William was same family as above.  There is one source which says this family may descend from and illegitimate son of King Henry I. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~pillagoda/ch2-04.htm
E7## King Henry II:  "The first proven arms for an English monarch. Gules a lion rampant or, later changed during his reign to three lions".  see http://www.fleurdelis.com/royal.htm     Henry I's mother was the daughter of Count Baldwin of Flanders, and an emblem associated with Flanders was a Lion... http://fotw.vexillum.com/flags/be-vlg.html#lion .  However, the lion on the current royal coat of arms is I believe identified with the "lion of Judah", signaling the English Royal families descend from King David.
     ArmsKingHenryII.gif (11188 bytes)
E8## Marsh:  (co, Middlesex)  Parry of eight ar. and az. a lion ramp. gu ducally crowned or.  (Note a "Marks" coat of arms, from Cornwall, is 8 fleur de lis around a rampant lion)
E9## Marck, la:  en Allemagne et en France (Germany and France). D'or à la fasce échiquetée d'argent et de gueules de trois traits; au lion issant de gueules en chef.
E10## Marke: (Cornwall)  see image below.

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E11## Morris:  (Wales)  Coat of arms:  Red with a gold lion rampant with a white disc over it's heart.  Crest:  A lion rampant holding a white disc between it's paws.  Motto:  A gair duw yn ucha.  (not sure if Welsh Morris family descends from de Marisco, some suggest origin is separate, but both this Coat of Arms, and the Irish Morris below, both have lions)
E12## Marris:  (Harold Colquhoun Marris OBE 1883-1966)   http://www.maris.ancestry.btinternet.co.uk/Origins.htm Includes numerous items, but also a rampant lion relating to the de Marisco roots,   See also http://www.marisancestry.co.uk/Origins.htm .
E13## Morris (origin??)  http://myhistories.com/england_mn.htm  
MorrisArmsA1 (46528 bytes)
E14## Morris:  (Ireland):  Coat of arms:  A gold shield with a black fess dancetee, and a black lion rampant in base.  Crest:  A silver lion's head dripping blood.  Motto:  Si Deus nobiscum qui contra nos.  (If God be with us, who can be against us.)  (not sure if this specific Morris family descends from de Marisco family, but some Irish Morrises do)  see image below  (also see  http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~chery/   )
MorrisGalwayArms.gif (7294 bytes)   
E15## Morris: (Kilkenny)  see image below

       morris_k.jpeg (2321 bytes)
E16## de la Mare: (Piers de La Mare).  http://www.briantimms.com/rolls/charlesF06.htm   some claim this name is related to de Marisco.  This is similar to Fulk de Strange coat of arms, and de Strange many be the same family as de Warren, who married into the de Mariscos of Somerset.
E17## de Newmarch: 424 Gules a fess of five fusils or Adam de Newmarch B 121 E 134 Q 47 LM 124
      ArmsDeLaMare.gif (5246 bytes)
E18## Hindmarsh: http://www.hindmarsh.org.uk/page2.htm   Or a lion rampant crowned Vert. Crest: An Oaktree proper appendant thereon an Escutcheon Gules (Burke's General Armory - of no official authority)
E19## Hindmarsh: (Kent) http://www.hindmarsh.org.uk/page2.htm   Hindmarsh or Hendmarsh from the County of Kent. Ar a lion vert, tail double queued crowned Or.
E20## Hindmarsh: (Scotland) http://www.hindmarsh.org.uk/page2.htm   Hindmarsh of Scotland - a demi lion rampant (Fairbairns Crests - Plate 67 Crest 10).
E21## Maddox (Maddock/ Mattock/ Mattocks?): 2 lions passant, similar to E16 on coat of arms.  Some Mattocks from Essex have DNA similarities to some Marsh/ Moss/ Meshke etc families.  Could Maddox/ Mattock relate to de Marcq, an origin of some Marsh lines? In fact, the  Mattocks don't match the Y-DNA of believed descendants of the Norman de Marcqs.   Perhaps a more likely origin of Maddox, is a Welsh origin. http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~maddoxetc/ .  It is interesting that some sources seem to indicate the Norman de Marcq/ de Merck family had lands in Wales very early, certainly from around 1066, but possibly earlier.
E22## Bray:  Bray means one who lives by a Marsh of Bray. See http://www.searchmalta.com/surnames/bray/index.shtml, one Bray Coat of Arms has a rampant lion.
(Note, at http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=DSwAAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PR186&lpg=RA2-PR186&dq=%22Simon+de+Marisco%22&source=web&ots=Svg-8yUtyc&sig=cO27jk7Z4jDxN3U4SklmC8IXUaU&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=6&ct=result#PRA2-PR183,M1   it states that Christina de Marisco, was daughter and co heir of Walter de Riddlesford, Baron of Bray.)
E23## Comte de Marche: France
http://www.notrefamille.com/v2/services-blasons/liste-blasons.asp?id_nom=2589672&nom=March
The Coat of Arms is very similar to the Arms of the de Marisco/ de Merc/ de Marcq family which went England with William the Conqueror, and would seem to corroborate the genealogies which claim the families are connected.
E24## Marcotte (Possibly from Artois France):  see by clicking here http://electroauthor.com/marcotte_genealogy/blazon.htm .  Could "Marcotte" derive from "de Marcq"?  http://electroauthor.com/marcotte_genealogy/AllBlazons.jpg

E25## Merris see http://www.houseofnames.com/product/Family+Crest+Image+%28JPG%29+Heritage+Series+-+300+DPI

See following coats of arms for Mark/ Marke/ de Merc etc...(mostly lions rampant)
http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924029786872/cu31924029786872_djvu.txt
2 FAMILY OF MARK, OR MARKE,

his father's name as a sire-name ; it was a custom
common in Wales with ap for fil. But the surname
Merke or Marke has the prefix del, equal to de la, or, of
the, hence it was a territorial name in its origin, and as
the North, from the 12th century downwards, was being
constantly reinforced from the South, the chances are
that the name was southern in its origin.

This southern name of Marke is Anglo-Norman, and
Merke (Marke), as well as Marcseus (possibly Marcus),
is found upon the Roll of Battle Abbey. There is also a
Charter of King Henry (first), attested by W. Marc', and
as the document is drawn in Latin it is probably Marcus
abbreviated. The following records of Armorials are
chiefly southern, and clearly have reference to this
family: —

i. Gules, a lion rampant, argent : Ingram del Merk. (Papworth's
Ordinary, page 76, quoting Roll circa A.D. 1256-66; Harleian
MS., 6589.)

2. Gules, a lion passant, argent : William de Merc'. (Papworth,

p. 76, Roll circa A.D., 1262-92; Harl. MS., 6137. (de Mert,
in Harl. MS., 6137.)

3. Gules, a lion rampant, argent, within a bordure engrailed, or:

Joan de Merc. (Papworth, p. 76, Roll circa, A.D. 1277-87;
Harl. MS., 6137. (de Mere in Harl. MS., 6589.) Merke.
(Glover's Ordinary, 17th Cent.) Marks; Merks, Essex.

4. As 3, with bordure indented : Sire Johan de Merk. (Papworth,

p. 120, Roll circa A.D. 1308-14, of which he mentions several
MSS.). Merke, Essex.

5. Gules, a lion passant, within a bordure engrailed, argent : Markes,

Essex; Markes, 1732. (Papworth, p. 119; Glover's
Ordinary; Cotton MS., Tiberius, D. 10; Harl. MS., 1392,

I459-)

6. Gules, semy de lis, or, a lion rampant and a canton ermine: Marks,

or Markes, Suffolk. (Papworth, p. 101.)

7. Per pale, ermine and azure, a lion rampant, counterchanged : Marke.

(Papworth, p. 90.)



COUNTY OF CUMBERLAND.



8. Per pale, argent and gules, a pile, counter changed : Mark; Marke;

Marse. (Papworth, p. 1022 ; Harl. MS., 1465, fo. 5b.)

9. Argent, a cross gules, Jive cinquefoils, or: John de St. Marke.

(Papworth, p. 655; Glover's Ordinary; Cotton MS.,
Tiberius, D. 10 ; Harl. MSS., 1592, 1459.)

10. Argent or chevron betiveen three trefoils, vert: Markes, Essex.

(Papworth, p. 425.)

11. Gules, a lion rampant, within an orle of eight fleur-de-lis, or, a canton,

ermine : Marke, of Liscard, Cornwall. (Visit, of Cornwall,
1620. John Marke, born before 1520.)

The following tabular statement of Sir Bernard Burke,
Ulster King of Arms, drawn from his General Armory,
1878, usefully shews how the name of Merc, Merke,
Marc, etc., settled into its present form ; the change of
the letter e to a as well as a to e (very common in all
names) ; but more particularly the final 5, being of
modern origin : —

Merks, (Co. Essex), Gu. a lion ramp. arg. a bordure engr. or.

Crest : An otter's head and neck erased, Sa. (See our

No. 3.)
Marks, Gu. a lion ramp. ar. a bordure engr. or. (See our No. 3.)
Markes, (Co. Essex), Gu. a lion pass. ar. a bordure engr. of the

last. (See our No. 5.)
,, (Co. Essex), Ar. a chev. between three trefoils, vert.

(See our No. 10.)
,, Gu. a lion ramp, within an orle of eight fleur-de-lis,

or, a canton, ermine. (See our No. 11.)
Marks, (Steeple Ashton, and Salisbury, Co. Wilts, and Pancras,

Co. Middlesex.) Gu. semee-de-lis, a lion ramp. or.

Crest : A demi-lion ramp, erm., holding a fleur-de-lis, or.

(or, Markes, Co. Suffolk,) Gu. semee-de-lis, or, a lion

ramp., and canton, erm. Crest, as last. (See our No. 6.)
Marke, (Liscard, Co. Cornwall ; James Marke, son of John

Marke, and grandson of William Marke, all of same

place. Visit. Cornwall, 1620.) Gu. a lion ramp.

within an orle of eight fleur-de-lis, or, a canton, erm.

(See our No. 11.)



FAMILY OF MARK, OR MARKE,



Marke, (Woodhill, Co. Cornwall). Same arms. Crest : A demi-

lion holding a fleur-de-lis in his dexter paw. (See our

No. ii.)
,, Per pale, erm. and az. a lion rampant, counterchanged.

Crest: A lion's gamb, sa., holding a battle-axe, or.

(See our No. 7.)
„ Same arms, a bordure sa. bezantee.
„ Per pale, ar. and gu., a pile counterchanged. (See our

No. 8.)
,, Ar. a cross gu., five cinque-foils, or. (See our No. 9.)

It will be noticed that though this modern list omits
to mention the names of the most ancient bearers, they
are mostly differenced arms of the 13th century.
 

Family Crest Image (JPG) Heritage Series - 300 DPI

F) LIONS HEADS:  Perhaps the lions head derived in a branch of the family using the rampant lion?  I have not tracked the origin yet, but the coats of arms F1-F3 seem related, even although some are surname Marsh, and some March.  I have encountered March families from southern English counties using a similar form of F3 (Hampshire area?).  It is possible the earliest uses of this Coat of Arms trace to a March family of Cambridgeshire, which may be in fact a derivation from a de Merc/ de Merck/ de Marisco family, which is in fact a branch of the Norman de Mariscos which used the rampant lion, see E4## above.

F1## Marsh:  (Canterbury, Kent)  Sable,a cross argent fretty of the first, between four lions' heads erased of the second. These Arms belonged to Richard Marsh of Canterbury, only brother of Dr Herbert Marsh sometime Bishop of Peterborough.   Richard Marsh died 1st July 1847 at the age of 89.
F2## Marsh   (London, merchant, d. in Dublin 1661; Fun. Ent. Ulster Office).   Sa. a cross ar. fretty of the first between four lions heads erased of the second.
F3## March   (Cambridgeshire?)  Coat of Arms is Black with a gold cross between four lions heads and four crescents. The Crest is an arm holding a battleaxe  (Morse Coat of Arms is a battle axe). First found in Cambridgeshire where they were seated from very early times and were granted lands by Duke William of Normandy, their liege Lord, for their distinguished assistance at the Battle of Hastings in 1066 A.D. http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp/s.March/March_family_Crest/March_coat_of_arms/qx/coatofarms_details.htm   (Note this March Arms is very similar to the above 2 Marsh Arms, and would strongly suggest family links between these Marshes and March.  If Dr Herbert Marsh was bishop of Peterborough, this is very near North Cambridgeshire/ Ely area, where early Marches were established, but Herbert was born at Faversham Kent.)
MarchArms1 (36450 bytes)

marcharms.gif (43 bytes)
G) BIRDS:


G1## Marsh:  (Ramridge co. Hants.)  Or, three birds az. (blue) on a chief of the last the sun of the first.
G2## Montmorency:  (Tipperary, Ireland)  see image below.  One source says the Norman de Marisco family, the origin of some English Marsh and Irish Morris (and Morrissey) families, descended from a family of de Montmorency.  This Coat of Arms clearly relates to the one below.

      MontmorencyTiperary.jpeg (2328 bytes)
G3## Montmorency:  (France?)  see image below- Bouchard VI Montmorency coat of arms (circa 1260?), a minor variation on the arms of his ancestor (?) Herve de Montmorency's coat of arms. (1,050-1,100).  Herve was by some accounts, the father of Geoffrey de Marisco, by others he was not.   See more Montmorency coats of arms illustrated at  http://www.briantimms.com/vermandois/poitevins.htm
MontmorencyArms2.gif (5042 bytes) 
G4## Montmorency:  (France?) Montnorency, Anne, Duc de, (1493-1567), a French Soldier.  Arms: Or, a cross Gules between in each quarter four Eaglets (2,2) displayed Azure.  The shield ensigned with the coronet of a French Duke and contained within a manteau ermine doubled ot the arms and suspended from a Duke's coronet.  (15th century MS.).
G5## Musick: see http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.familycrest_details/s.Musick/Musick_family_Crest/Musick_coat_of_arms/qx/Musick.htmA Musick (possibly of Welsh origin 1600s???) has similar DNA to a Marsh.  Mersick appears to be a varient of Mursick and Musick.  An old spelling for Marsh was Mersc.   I wondered it Mer-s-c could be related to Mer-si-ck, or Mu-si-ck.  Some of the spelling variants of Musick have a vague suggestion of similarities with Montmorency, (eg Moucey, de Musy) and there is a hint of similarity in the coats of arms also.  I wonder if some Musick and variant spellings might have separate origins.  Perhaps Mosseck (H6##) is a variant spelling?
G6## Marsh:  What is the origin of this ?????  It appears to have the Lions head at the top which may be significant, and 3 birds. 
http://www.houseofnames.com/fc.asp?sId=C83123DC-DBF2-4BFA-902E-EF84E9CD9EE4&s=Marsh

Coat of Arms: A gold shield with three blue birds and a gold sun on a blue chief.

Crest: A gold lion's head erased.
 





G7## Tey:   The de Tey family inherited Marks Tey estate in Essex from the de Merc (Marsh) family in the early 1300s, by marrying the de Merc heiress.
http://www.houseofnames.com/fc.asp?sId=C83123DC-DBF2-4BFA-902E-EF84E9CD9EE4&s=Tey
Also see

http://www.archive.org/stream/analphabeticald02wgoog/analphabeticald02wgoog_djvu.txt
Teys, Layer-de-la-Hay, Essex. Tyb, Essex.
Arg. a fess az. betw. thrr e martlets in chief, gu.

and a chev. in base of the second. Tkt, Lon-
don ; granted 1595.
Arg. a fess az. betw. three martlets sa. Bioo.
 

G8## Tiernay:  

 






G9## Marcks:

 

 

 

G10## Tey:
http://www.1066.co.nz/library/battle_abbey_roll3/subchap105.htm

Morant, in his History of Essex, asserts that Sir Walter took his name from Mark's-Tey in that county, of which he first became possessed in the reign of Edward I. But this does not quite agree with the pedigree he gives, for he makes out Robert Tey, 8th in descent from Sir Walter, to be living in 1426! This family ended in 1540 with four co-heiresses. They bore Argent three herons' heads gorged with a crown Or, within a bordure of the second, with the motto "Tais en temps." This relates to one of the name, "who, living in the wars between the Houses of York and Lancaster, had a significant device, Not to be hanged for Talking.

G11## Maires/ Mareys/ Marisco:
http://books.google.co.nz/books?id=3WjdEHsAu88C&pg=PA651&lpg=PA651&dq=%22de+Mareys%22+Suffolk&source=bl&ots=2akVkjIgJ8&sig=KWMIOTqDH0nzRA3Y4Qb5qwuSods&hl=en&ei=
HOVoS5DhCoT2sQOr292OBQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CAkQ6AEwAA#v=
onepage&q=%22de%20Mareys%22%20Suffolk&f=false

MAIRIS (as borne by Major VALENTINE
MAIRIS, of Marston, Wilts, the descendant
of an ancient Baronial family, De Mareys,
or De Marisco, reduced by the Wars of the
Roses, and other causes, originally seated
at Huntspill, and Gamely, co. Somerset).
Quarterly : or. and az. a cross quarterly
gu. and arg. between an eagle displayed in
the first and fourth quarters, and a water
bouget in the second and third, counter-
changed of the field. Crest, A mount vert,
thereon a peacock in his pride, or. from
the beak issuant an escroll, inscribed
" Esse quam videri ;" the dexter foot rest-
ing on an escutcheon az. charged with a
cross pate, fitche'e gold. Motto, Si Deus
nobiscum, quis contra nos ?
 


H) VERTICAL STRIPES:

H1##  Marcq (de Tiege): The original Norman de Marisco family is believed to descend from a family which in early records is often referred to as de Marcq/ de Marck.  The de Marcq family by about 1100 was more commonly known as de Merc/ de Merck/ de Marck/ de Marisco, and was using a rampant lion on their coat of arms. (see E2##-E6##). 
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H2## Marre (de la):  (see also E16##) The French early form of the surname Marsh was de Mareis, although the Latinized spelling of de Marisco is most often found.  Both were used in the same families.  Perhaps Marre is a derivation of Mareis, and traces back to de Marck??
      de-la-marre.jpeg (1200 bytes)
H3## Marquefave:  Perhaps Marcq & Marque-fave have some common origin?  There is a slight similarity in the Coat of Arms.
     
marquefave.jpeg (1132 bytes)
H4## Messancy: 
      messancy.jpeg (1117 bytes)
H5## Metzigh:
      metzigh.jpeg (1102 bytes)
H6## Mosseck: 
Could this be a variant of Musick?   A Marsh in the DNA study was found to have a reasonably close DNA match to a person of surname Musick.  In the 1500s/1600s, there was a Musick family living about 12 miles from where this Marsh family lived.  An early spelling of Marsh, was de Mersc.   It appears that persons of surname Musick have used variant spellings of Mursick, and Mersick.  It is only speculation, but perhaps Mer-s-c has some relationship to Mer-si-ck or Mu-si-ck.  Two locations where the Musick family have been known are Wales (1600s) and Cambridgeshire (1500s/1600s).  The Norman de Marisco family were known to have had family in both Wales and Cambridgeshire prior to 1100, and on some occasions members of this family seem to have used de Mersc as a spelling variation.  
 
    mosseck.jpeg (1075 bytes)  

H7## de la March: 
916 Barry of twelve argent and azure Hugues XII de Lusignan Comte de la Marche CP 5 VE 957 HE 514
 

514 Li Quens de la Marche

Barry of twelve argent and azure

 

Hugues XII de Lusignan, Comte de la Marche, who also appears in The Chifflet-Prinet Roll, CP4 & Vermandois, VE957

H8## de la March: 
916 Barry of twelve argent and azure Hugues XII de Lusignan Comte de la Marche CP 5 VE 957 HE 514
 (((See Y-DNA of  Louisignan Q396))) Note kin of Hugues XII was Guy de Lusignan, roi de Jerusalem, b.1129, d.1194.  Hugues V sire de Lusignan bc. 998 d.1060 married Adelmonie de la Marche (descended from comtes de la March, back to Gefrey comte de Charrous living 890). [[[could the de Lucy/ Lacy family be connected to Lusignan??]]]
 
      

H9## de la March:  Gui de Lusignan


515 Guy de la Marche

Barry of twelve argent and azure six lions rampant gules ...Gui de Lusignan


H10## Marsh:  Who does this relate to???

X) MISCELLANEOUS:

X1## Marck:  (German) Coat of Arms: A silver shield displaying buck's antlers and two six-point stars.  (As X3## Marck relates to the Crusader Kings, the 6 point stars may have some relationship to the star of David??)
X2## Marck (& variant spellings):  (England?)  Blue shield, red horizontal band http://www.houseofnames.com/xq/asp.familycrest_details/s.Marker/Marker_family_Crest/Marker_coat_of_arms/qx/Marker.htm   (Note: Many Arms have a horizontal band, of different colours, see below.)
X3## Marck de la: http://www.woodstocknation.org/legacy2.htm The checkers from the Coat-Of-Arms of the Lohengrin family De La Marck of the County of Altena. a cadet branch of the House of Boulogne (Bouillon) who were the Crusader Kings of Jerusalem. The De La Marck family of Altena of the House of Boulogne of the House of Lohengrin lived in the Schlossberg Castle at the town of Altena.   The Altena branch of the House of De La Marck inherited the Dukedom of Cleves and relocated to the Schwannenburg (Swan Castle) in the town of Cleves.The Yellow and black cross is the colors of Julich (Kulik) in Westfalia.  (NOTE: Adelolf de Marck, the ancestor of the Norman de Mariscos, fought in the Battle of Hastings 14 Oct 1066, in the retinue of Arnold of Ardes, who himself served under Eustace II, Count of Boulogne.  Adelolf after 1066 held many estates in England from Count Eustace.  Osbert de Marcq, father of Adelolf was a cadet (younger/ youngest son) of the Vicomte de Marcq, near Calais.  Arnold Vicomte de Marck b.1115 d.1147, was married to Adeline d'Ardres.   Whilst the Lohengrin de la Marck family may trace descent from the Boulogne family, it is not quite the same as saying that Osbert de Marck traced to the Boulogne family.  However, it seems that Osbert de Marck's family had a tight association with Eustace II Count of Boulogne, so it would be interesting to explore if such a relationship existed.  The X4## de la Marck coat of arms below, which seems to be related to X3##, includes a lion, which the de Mariscos included on their coats of arms.  See also,  http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/UPTEGROVE/2003-03/1048645312 which says of JOHN WILLIAM OF CLEVES (1562--1609) last duke of Cleves of the House of Mark (de la Marck) of the Altena Branch of the Lohengrin Family; alleged to descend from the KYRIAKON HOLY FAMILY OF JERUSALEM through the Corbenic Castle of the House of Joseph of Arimathea, the Septimanian line of Lazarus of Bethany (and his alleged wife and cousin Mary of Magdala), the line of Jesus bar-Joseph of Gamala through the Koreishi Line of Muhammed Hashim (570--632) the Islamic Prophet of the Koran of the House of David, the Exilarch Lines of Baghdad and Spain in the House of Aragon and Castile; and the Kyriakon Line of Saint James the Just, First Christian Bishop of Jerusalem, Tribal Brother of the LORD JESUS CHRIST, and stepson of the Blessed Mother, the Virgin Daughter of Zion, of the House of David.  See also http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/m/i/l/Glenn-wayne-Miller/   for related genealogies, which I would view with caution.  Another genealogy for Eustace II count of Bologne gives Clodius II "King" of the Franks as the mythical direct male line ancestor, see http://mariah.stonemarche.org/famfiles/fam09062.htm , however, this genealogy disagrees with another genealogy wich traces the Bologne/ Boulogne/ Bouillon family to Arnold Boulogne b. about 924, of Boulogne, Artois, France.   I note that there was an "Arnold of Ardres' chronicle", which might be interesting in view of his association with the de Marcks.  Perhaps if the de Marck family "claimed"- true or not- descent from King David, the lion on the early de Marisco coats of arms may trace to the "Lion of Judah".  Just another one the many possibilities!) 
X4## Marck, de la, Charles Robert 1541-1622  http://www.heraldique-europeenne.org/Armoriaux/Saint_Esprit/1578.htm
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X5## Taillifer
There were some marriage relationships between the Taillifer family, and the de la March family.  The checkered pattern is similar on both coats of arms.

House of Taillifer

Coat of Arms of the Counts of Angoulême.

Coat of Arms of the Counts of Angoulême above

X6## Morcke:
  Perhaps a variant of Marck?  Note: X2## and X6## have horizontal bands.
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X7## May/ Maye http://www.allfamilycrests.com/m/maye-family-crest-coat-of-arms.shtml see image below.  There is perhaps a hint that some Maye might be a variant of Mayes/ Mayrs/ Maris/ de Marisco which in some cases derives from de Marck/ de Marcq.  This Maye, and X2## Marck and X5## Morcke have horizontal bands, but of different colours.
mayearms.gif (15856 bytes)
X8## Morse:  Includes battle axe, and 3 black disks on white shield.  http://www.morsesociety.org/ (Note: several Marsh and March arms have a battle axe on the crest.)
X9## Marsh:  (Gloucestershire???) "Marsh arms with 3 shells in them"  http://www.prattens.co.uk/FAMILIES/MARSH/text.txt (perhaps this refers to A10## above, where the three shells are attributed to a Taylor Arms added to the Marsh Arms by Marriage?)
X10## Morice:   This looks like a variant of Morris, which has been clearly identified as related to de Marisco/ Marris/ Marsh etc.  The 3 shells appears in X8## above, which is Marsh.  Shells were found in marshy coastal areas, so were an appropriate symbol for Marsh/ Morris or variants.  The Morrough family of Limerick, Bailleul family, and Morman (de Schonberg) family have a similar Coat of Arms.
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Y) FAMILY SEALS:

Y1## Marsh of Edgehill:
  seal has 3 axes on it http://www.prattens.co.uk/FAMILIES/MARSH/notes.html
 

http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924029786872/cu31924029786872_djvu.txt

2 FAMILY OF MARK, OR MARKE,

his father's name as a sire-name ; it was a custom
common in Wales with ap for fil. But the surname
Merke or Marke has the prefix del, equal to de la, or, of
the, hence it was a territorial name in its origin, and as
the North, from the 12th century downwards, was being
constantly reinforced from the South, the chances are
that the name was southern in its origin.

This southern name of Marke is Anglo-Norman, and
Merke (Marke), as well as Marcseus (possibly Marcus),
is found upon the Roll of Battle Abbey. There is also a
Charter of King Henry (first), attested by W. Marc', and
as the document is drawn in Latin it is probably Marcus
abbreviated. The following records of Armorials are
chiefly southern, and clearly have reference to this
family: —

i. Gules, a lion rampant, argent : Ingram del Merk. (Papworth's
Ordinary, page 76, quoting Roll circa A.D. 1256-66; Harleian
MS., 6589.)

2. Gules, a lion passant, argent : William de Merc'. (Papworth,

p. 76, Roll circa A.D., 1262-92; Harl. MS., 6137. (de Mert,
in Harl. MS., 6137.)

3. Gules, a lion rampant, argent, within a bordure engrailed, or:

Joan de Merc. (Papworth, p. 76, Roll circa, A.D. 1277-87;
Harl. MS., 6137. (de Mere in Harl. MS., 6589.) Merke.
(Glover's Ordinary, 17th Cent.) Marks; Merks, Essex.

4. As 3, with bordure indented : Sire Johan de Merk. (Papworth,

p. 120, Roll circa A.D. 1308-14, of which he mentions several
MSS.). Merke, Essex.

5. Gules, a lion passant, within a bordure engrailed, argent : Markes,

Essex; Markes, 1732. (Papworth, p. 119; Glover's
Ordinary; Cotton MS., Tiberius, D. 10; Harl. MS., 1392,

I459-)

6. Gules, semy de lis, or, a lion rampant and a canton ermine: Marks,

or Markes, Suffolk. (Papworth, p. 101.)

7. Per pale, ermine and azure, a lion rampant, counterchanged : Marke.

(Papworth, p. 90.)



COUNTY OF CUMBERLAND.



8. Per pale, argent and gules, a pile, counter changed : Mark; Marke;

Marse. (Papworth, p. 1022 ; Harl. MS., 1465, fo. 5b.)

9. Argent, a cross gules, Jive cinquefoils, or: John de St. Marke.

(Papworth, p. 655; Glover's Ordinary; Cotton MS.,
Tiberius, D. 10 ; Harl. MSS., 1592, 1459.)

10. Argent or chevron betiveen three trefoils, vert: Markes, Essex.

(Papworth, p. 425.)

11. Gules, a lion rampant, within an orle of eight fleur-de-lis, or, a canton,

ermine : Marke, of Liscard, Cornwall. (Visit, of Cornwall,
1620. John Marke, born before 1520.)

The following tabular statement of Sir Bernard Burke,
Ulster King of Arms, drawn from his General Armory,
1878, usefully shews how the name of Merc, Merke,
Marc, etc., settled into its present form ; the change of
the letter e to a as well as a to e (very common in all
names) ; but more particularly the final 5, being of
modern origin : —

Merks, (Co. Essex), Gu. a lion ramp. arg. a bordure engr. or.

Crest : An otter's head and neck erased, Sa. (See our

No. 3.)
Marks, Gu. a lion ramp. ar. a bordure engr. or. (See our No. 3.)
Markes, (Co. Essex), Gu. a lion pass. ar. a bordure engr. of the

last. (See our No. 5.)
,, (Co. Essex), Ar. a chev. between three trefoils, vert.

(See our No. 10.)
,, Gu. a lion ramp, within an orle of eight fleur-de-lis,

or, a canton, ermine. (See our No. 11.)
Marks, (Steeple Ashton, and Salisbury, Co. Wilts, and Pancras,

Co. Middlesex.) Gu. semee-de-lis, a lion ramp. or.

Crest : A demi-lion ramp, erm., holding a fleur-de-lis, or.

(or, Markes, Co. Suffolk,) Gu. semee-de-lis, or, a lion

ramp., and canton, erm. Crest, as last. (See our No. 6.)
Marke, (Liscard, Co. Cornwall ; James Marke, son of John

Marke, and grandson of William Marke, all of same

place. Visit. Cornwall, 1620.) Gu. a lion ramp.

within an orle of eight fleur-de-lis, or, a canton, erm.

(See our No. 11.)



FAMILY OF MARK, OR MARKE,



Marke, (Woodhill, Co. Cornwall). Same arms. Crest : A demi-

lion holding a fleur-de-lis in his dexter paw. (See our

No. ii.)
,, Per pale, erm. and az. a lion rampant, counterchanged.

Crest: A lion's gamb, sa., holding a battle-axe, or.

(See our No. 7.)
„ Same arms, a bordure sa. bezantee.
„ Per pale, ar. and gu., a pile counterchanged. (See our

No. 8.)
,, Ar. a cross gu., five cinque-foils, or. (See our No. 9.)

It will be noticed that though this modern list omits
to mention the names of the most ancient bearers, they
are mostly differenced arms of the 13th century.

For readers who are unacquainted with ancient
manuscripts, it may be mentioned that there was no
standard way of spelling names until comparatively
modern times. The same name may be found spelled
several different ways in the same deed, certain letters
being used to record the sound phonetically, at the will
of the scribe, and even this varied according to the
language in which the document was written, where the
name appears. The letters a and e are commonly found
confounded dialectically. We have names in this
Genealogy that have undergone some seventy different
modes of spelling.

There can be no doubt that the Anglo-Norman, and
Continental name Mark, comes from the Chiefs or
Counts of the Mearc (Saxon) ; Mark (German) ; Marque
or Marche (French) ; the German term Mark-graf, said
(probably erroneously) to be the origin of the name
Musgrave, is of this nature. In Wales there is mention
of Penmark, in Co. Glamorgan, the first syllable of which
is found in the title of Pendragon, indicating the great
military chief of the Dragon standard of ancient Briton,


 

 

 


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